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	<title>Comments on: Expelled The Movie: Is Darwinism Science or Worldview?</title>
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		<title>By: testers</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2008/04/20/expelled-the-movie-is-darwinism-science-or-worldview/comment-page-1/#comment-49601</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darwinists refuse to debate or acknowledge ID the same way Newtonists refuse to debate or acknowledge Intelligent Falling, or how Edisonists refuse to debate or acknowledge Magical Shining Fairies.

Scientists will generally not acknowledge unscientific ideas posed as science.

The problem with ID is that it is an unscientific idea, and its proponents are ignoring the scientific method and the hard work it is to do actual research, and are instead launching political PR campaigns in order to force their idea on the scientific community.

If ID is allowed to skip the scientific process, then we must also allow Alchemy to be taught alongside Chemistry, Flat Earth alongside Geology, Holocaust denial in History classes, and that God does not exist in churches. It&#039;s that simple. If this unscientific idea (ID) is given special treatment, why shouldn&#039;t the same be the case for other unscientific ideas?

Now, you may wish to counter this by claiming that ID is science, but the fact is that even a conservative christian judge - Judge Jones (who was appointed to office by Bush on recommendation from creationist senator Rick Santorum), had to rule that ID is religion. If you want to know the specifics look up the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial, which shows all the dirty details on how the ID community is just the Creationist (God did it) community with a new name. There is no doubt about the fact that ID is religion, and the fact that they have not produced one single piece of new, original research says it all. As long as they do not provide us with this research, they do not belong in science books.

And if you claim that anyone who questions Darwinism is shunned, then I recommend that you read this:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=ben-steins-expelled-review-michael-shermer&amp;page=4

Read from &quot;Questioning Darwinism&quot;, and it continues on page 5. These scientists question Darwinism, but they are doing actual science. Unlike the ID crowd (including the Discovery Institute) which only deals with politics and religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darwinists refuse to debate or acknowledge ID the same way Newtonists refuse to debate or acknowledge Intelligent Falling, or how Edisonists refuse to debate or acknowledge Magical Shining Fairies.</p>
<p>Scientists will generally not acknowledge unscientific ideas posed as science.</p>
<p>The problem with ID is that it is an unscientific idea, and its proponents are ignoring the scientific method and the hard work it is to do actual research, and are instead launching political PR campaigns in order to force their idea on the scientific community.</p>
<p>If ID is allowed to skip the scientific process, then we must also allow Alchemy to be taught alongside Chemistry, Flat Earth alongside Geology, Holocaust denial in History classes, and that God does not exist in churches. It&#8217;s that simple. If this unscientific idea (ID) is given special treatment, why shouldn&#8217;t the same be the case for other unscientific ideas?</p>
<p>Now, you may wish to counter this by claiming that ID is science, but the fact is that even a conservative christian judge &#8211; Judge Jones (who was appointed to office by Bush on recommendation from creationist senator Rick Santorum), had to rule that ID is religion. If you want to know the specifics look up the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial, which shows all the dirty details on how the ID community is just the Creationist (God did it) community with a new name. There is no doubt about the fact that ID is religion, and the fact that they have not produced one single piece of new, original research says it all. As long as they do not provide us with this research, they do not belong in science books.</p>
<p>And if you claim that anyone who questions Darwinism is shunned, then I recommend that you read this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=ben-steins-expelled-review-michael-shermer&amp;page=4" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.sciam.com');">http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=ben-steins-expelled-review-michael-shermer&amp;page=4</a></p>
<p>Read from &#8220;Questioning Darwinism&#8221;, and it continues on page 5. These scientists question Darwinism, but they are doing actual science. Unlike the ID crowd (including the Discovery Institute) which only deals with politics and religion.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2008/04/20/expelled-the-movie-is-darwinism-science-or-worldview/comment-page-1/#comment-49518</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always encourage debate.  It is what helps bring us all to the truth.  If we never listen to any other argument, we become single minded and no longer can accept truth when it is presented.  This is one of the biggest critiques of Darwinist, they refuse debate or to even acknowledge that ID has any valid arguments.  To me let&#039;s allow scientist to explore all avenues and see where the evidence leads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always encourage debate.  It is what helps bring us all to the truth.  If we never listen to any other argument, we become single minded and no longer can accept truth when it is presented.  This is one of the biggest critiques of Darwinist, they refuse debate or to even acknowledge that ID has any valid arguments.  To me let&#8217;s allow scientist to explore all avenues and see where the evidence leads.</p>
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		<title>By: testers</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2008/04/20/expelled-the-movie-is-darwinism-science-or-worldview/comment-page-1/#comment-49470</link>
		<dc:creator>testers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: &quot;Most such blogs seem to want to expelled&quot; should be &quot;...want to expel&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: &#8220;Most such blogs seem to want to expelled&#8221; should be &#8220;&#8230;want to expel&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: testers</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2008/04/20/expelled-the-movie-is-darwinism-science-or-worldview/comment-page-1/#comment-49468</link>
		<dc:creator>testers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s refreshing to see a pro-Expelled blog which allows comments, by the way. Most such blogs seem to want to expelled anyone with a differing view and carefully pre-screen comments.

Kudos for that. It gives you credibility, and does not make you a hypocrite like all the other pro-Expelled blogs out there who expell anyone who disagrees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s refreshing to see a pro-Expelled blog which allows comments, by the way. Most such blogs seem to want to expelled anyone with a differing view and carefully pre-screen comments.</p>
<p>Kudos for that. It gives you credibility, and does not make you a hypocrite like all the other pro-Expelled blogs out there who expell anyone who disagrees.</p>
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		<title>By: testers</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2008/04/20/expelled-the-movie-is-darwinism-science-or-worldview/comment-page-1/#comment-49467</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It becomes very clear throughout the movie that the theories of the origin of life has no scientific basis.&quot;

This is a false claim. Scientists know a great deal about how life could have come about.

However, Evolution/Darwinism does not deal with how life first appeared. It only deals with what happened once it was here.

So it seems that Expelled is very confused and unscientific in nature?

&quot;The movie also explores why anyone who questioned Darwinian Theory using scientific evidence, publishes an article by someone in the Intelligent Design Field or even writes an article about Intelligent Design they are fired or forced to resign.&quot;

The movie is lying:

http://my.opera.com/WayOfTheDodo/blog/2008/04/21/expelled-no-honesty-allowed-part-2

None of the claimed victims of expulsion were in fact expelled. Sternberg, for example, had resigned at his own request six months earlier.


&quot;One major argument from the Darwinist is that Intelligent Design should not be taught in schools&quot;

Intelligent Design is not science, so it should not be taught in science class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It becomes very clear throughout the movie that the theories of the origin of life has no scientific basis.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a false claim. Scientists know a great deal about how life could have come about.</p>
<p>However, Evolution/Darwinism does not deal with how life first appeared. It only deals with what happened once it was here.</p>
<p>So it seems that Expelled is very confused and unscientific in nature?</p>
<p>&#8220;The movie also explores why anyone who questioned Darwinian Theory using scientific evidence, publishes an article by someone in the Intelligent Design Field or even writes an article about Intelligent Design they are fired or forced to resign.&#8221;</p>
<p>The movie is lying:</p>
<p><a href="http://my.opera.com/WayOfTheDodo/blog/2008/04/21/expelled-no-honesty-allowed-part-2" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/my.opera.com');">http://my.opera.com/WayOfTheDodo/blog/2008/04/21/expelled-no-honesty-allowed-part-2</a></p>
<p>None of the claimed victims of expulsion were in fact expelled. Sternberg, for example, had resigned at his own request six months earlier.</p>
<p>&#8220;One major argument from the Darwinist is that Intelligent Design should not be taught in schools&#8221;</p>
<p>Intelligent Design is not science, so it should not be taught in science class.</p>
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