Comments on: Hidden Cost Of Tenure Honored http://educationmatters.us/2006/06/24/hidden-cost-of-tenure-honored/ Reform Education because Education Mattes Mon, 29 Mar 2010 00:37:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Julie http://educationmatters.us/2006/06/24/hidden-cost-of-tenure-honored/#comment-902 Julie Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:09:42 +0000 http://educationmatters.us/?p=580#comment-902 Nan... Can't be... must be a racial thing... Nan…
Can’t be… must be a racial thing…

]]> By: Nan http://educationmatters.us/2006/06/24/hidden-cost-of-tenure-honored/#comment-901 Nan Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:09:09 +0000 http://educationmatters.us/?p=580#comment-901 From a very recent study comparing public to private schools: A summary: http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/dn/education/columnists/jbenton/stories/062705dnmetedcol.4b6a3351.html An abstract and the study itself: http://www.ncspe.org/readrel.php?set=pub&cat=126 From a very recent study comparing public to private schools:

A summary:
http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/dn/education/columnists/jbenton/stories/062705dnmetedcol.4b6a3351.html

An abstract and the study itself:
http://www.ncspe.org/readrel.php?set=pub&cat=126

]]> By: Lisa http://educationmatters.us/2006/06/24/hidden-cost-of-tenure-honored/#comment-900 Lisa Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:22:15 +0000 http://educationmatters.us/?p=580#comment-900 Julie, As stated in the post about the ASCI Scores originally, you talk about making it apples to apples. As stated above you point out ways to make both fields apple to apples... but it is all one sided. Let's talk about government (which really means yours and my) funding and staff that private education does not have. Julie, you didn't answer my questions from the ACSI Scores post. I will re-post them for the third time now. Please answer. From the ACSI Scores post: "As it stands now even with its financial handicaps" Julie,

As stated in the post about the ASCI Scores originally, you talk about making it apples to apples. As stated above you point out ways to make both fields apple to apples… but it is all one sided.

Let’s talk about government (which really means yours and my) funding and staff that private education does not have.

Julie, you didn’t answer my questions from the ACSI Scores post. I will re-post them for the third time now. Please answer.

From the ACSI Scores post:

“As it stands now even with its financial handicaps”

]]> By: Julie http://educationmatters.us/2006/06/24/hidden-cost-of-tenure-honored/#comment-899 Julie Tue, 27 Jun 2006 02:40:25 +0000 http://educationmatters.us/?p=580#comment-899 Why its not just incorrect, its absurd! National Scores Versus ACSI Scores That was your premise. Take the National score and subtract: Any student with extremely low academic performance. Any student that has failed the most recent grade level. Any student that has a "present history" Why its not just incorrect, its absurd!

National Scores Versus ACSI Scores

That was your premise.

Take the National score and subtract:

Any student with extremely low academic performance.
Any student that has failed the most recent grade level.
Any student that has a “present history”

]]> By: site admin http://educationmatters.us/2006/06/24/hidden-cost-of-tenure-honored/#comment-898 site admin Tue, 27 Jun 2006 02:06:23 +0000 http://educationmatters.us/?p=580#comment-898 It appears as stated before that no comparison will ever be good enough for government education supporters. If that is incorrect, the please tell us what measurement you would like to see used? It appears as stated before that no comparison will ever be good enough for government education supporters. If that is incorrect, the please tell us what measurement you would like to see used?

]]> By: Julie http://educationmatters.us/2006/06/24/hidden-cost-of-tenure-honored/#comment-897 Julie Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:10:09 +0000 http://educationmatters.us/?p=580#comment-897 Pretty shallow argument; I think there's a whole lot more to tests scores than good or bad teachers (not that a hearty discussion of good and bad teachers isn't warranted). Additionally, the test scores prove no such thing, logically or otherwise. But this never was about the "scores". So back (once again) to your original premise and the question I ask that goes unanswered over and over and over and over: You've yet to prove that private enterprise can do better with the same sample; only with one that's highly filtered for success. Pretty shallow argument; I think there’s a whole lot more to tests scores than good or bad teachers (not that a hearty discussion of good and bad teachers isn’t warranted). Additionally, the test scores prove no such thing, logically or otherwise. But this never was about the “scores”.

So back (once again) to your original premise and the question I ask that goes unanswered over and over and over and over:

You’ve yet to prove that private enterprise can do better with the same sample; only with one that’s highly filtered for success.

]]> By: site admin http://educationmatters.us/2006/06/24/hidden-cost-of-tenure-honored/#comment-896 site admin Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:26:45 +0000 http://educationmatters.us/?p=580#comment-896 Bad teachers lead to lower test scores. Good teachers lead to higher test scores. Scott Reeder proved bad teachers can't be fired from government schools leaving bad teachers to teach the children. Private schools can fire bad teachers leading to better teachers teaching the children. The logic is simple. The test scores reflect this reality. Bad teachers lead to lower test scores.

Good teachers lead to higher test scores.

Scott Reeder proved bad teachers can’t be fired from government schools leaving bad teachers to teach the children.

Private schools can fire bad teachers leading to better teachers teaching the children.

The logic is simple. The test scores reflect this reality.

]]> By: Julie http://educationmatters.us/2006/06/24/hidden-cost-of-tenure-honored/#comment-895 Julie Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:27:54 +0000 http://educationmatters.us/?p=580#comment-895 You've yet to prove that private enterprise can do better with the same sample; only with one that's highly filtered for success. You’ve yet to prove that private enterprise can do better with the same sample; only with one that’s highly filtered for success.

]]> By: site admin http://educationmatters.us/2006/06/24/hidden-cost-of-tenure-honored/#comment-894 site admin Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:03:45 +0000 http://educationmatters.us/?p=580#comment-894 Julie said, "Who cares how the private school compares to the national average if you've chosen to abandon the national enterprise?" The education of all our kids is important. That is why we all should care if government schools are failing to educate our children. A comparison is in order if one entity produces significantly higher results than the failing entity. This is the way business works; find a successful business and determine best practices then follow them. These best practices can translate into improved performance for the failing entity. On the other hand, if you only compare one failing entity to another failing entity to see who is doing better, you have accomplished nothing. It's like finding out who is the <a href="http://citizensforreasonableandfairtaxes.blogspot.com/2006/06/soberest-drunk-in-bar-comparing.html" rel="nofollow">soberest drunk in the bar</a>. Julie said, “Who cares how the private school compares to the national average if you’ve chosen to abandon the national enterprise?”

The education of all our kids is important. That is why we all should care if government schools are failing to educate our children.

A comparison is in order if one entity produces significantly higher results than the failing entity. This is the way business works; find a successful business and determine best practices then follow them. These best practices can translate into improved performance for the failing entity.

On the other hand, if you only compare one failing entity to another failing entity to see who is doing better, you have accomplished nothing. It’s like finding out who is the soberest drunk in the bar.

]]> By: Julie http://educationmatters.us/2006/06/24/hidden-cost-of-tenure-honored/#comment-893 Julie Mon, 26 Jun 2006 00:26:05 +0000 http://educationmatters.us/?p=580#comment-893 Site admin said (in red) <b>"Your attacks on Westlake are misplaced. You should be attacking the real problem within the government schools."</b> Where did I attack the WCA?  I merely stated their admission policy was selective. And well it can be.  I have no quarrel with that.  But to compare the test scores of an all-inclusive National Average to those of a significantly selective institution and claim it means anything other that the obvious is an insult to conventional wisdom. <b>"I have asked this before, but I'll ask again since you seem to avoid answering it. What do you mean by diversity? "</b> Asked and answered. I won't take your bait to make it racial, because it isn't.  I'll repeat:  When a policy is exclusionary, it limits diversity. The explanation of <i><b>"who these kids are" Site admin said (in red)
"Your attacks on Westlake are misplaced. You should
be attacking the real problem within the government schools."
Where did I attack the WCA?  I merely stated their admission policy was
selective. And well it can be.  I have no quarrel with that.  But to
compare the test scores of an all-inclusive National Average to those of a
significantly selective institution and claim it means anything other that the
obvious is an insult to conventional wisdom.
"I have asked this before, but I’ll ask again since
you seem to avoid answering it. What do you mean by diversity? "
Asked and answered. I won’t take your bait to make it racial, because it
isn’t.  I’ll repeat:  When a policy is exclusionary, it limits
diversity. The explanation of “who these kids are”

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