Emergency Board Meeting Tonight
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Mike Riopell has 2 articles in the Daily Herald concerning the state of the Teachers Negotiations here in District 46. The first concerns the delayed vote at the Board meeting Tuesday night. The second concerns the Emergency meeting called for tonight between the Board and the Teacher’s Union.
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Offering little explanation of its hesitation Tuesday night, the district board further lengthened the approval process of a new contract with its teachers. The board reported reaching tentative terms in mid-December, after an all-night bargaining meeting with a federal mediator. The news of the tentative agreement came the same day teachers were rumored to meet and discuss a strike. “We’re not talking about any of the specifics because we have not approved it,†Davis said. When a new contract will be approved or what might have caused its delay was unclear Tuesday night. |
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One day after the Grayslake elementary district board decided not to approve a teachers contract, it scheduled an “emergency†closed door meeting the superintendent said he hopes will clear up any confusion. “We want to sort of prevent the union from taking any drastic measures,†said Superintendent Ellen Correll. Union officials have never said a strike is an option. Grayslake Federation of Teachers President Diane Elfering said many teachers were upset to hear of the delay. She said that the union will “weigh its options,†but won’t likely meet this week. “I’m very disappointed,†she said. “They really want to focus on the kids.†A meeting between the board and union negotiators is scheduled for tonight. Elfering said she was happy to hear of the quick response. “I really hope that they’re able to get the answers they need Thursday night.†A decision not to accept those terms was made Tuesday night behind closed doors at the board’s regular meeting, Correll said. The union has voted to accept the tentative deal. Correll said she and some board members felt the contract was a “done deal†before Tuesday’s meeting. She said a “difference of opinion†on the meaning of some parts of the agreement may have caused the hesitation. |
It has come to my attention that some members ot the public already have details of the contract. I am glad to see the Board is honoring their end of the agreement to not discuss the details.
Are you saying it wasn’t the Board that leaked the details to these members of the the public? There’s some info I’d really find valuable and interesting. Please elaborate and tell us what has come to your attention.
By the way, the Board is already in violation of the collective bargaining act; what makes you think they didn’t leak the details to the public?
Carl, remember this: “not a teacher…not a staff member…just a district taxpayer that can be trusted with confidential info…why is you still don’t have the details? there’s plenty of us out here with the skinny.”
http://educationmatters.us/?p=367#comments
Are you saying my information didn’t come from a board member? Please explain.
Carl, why don’t you please share where your information came from. I understand you are reluctant to answer certain questions with a simple direct answer. You can clear up many things if you did so now.
Lennie Wrote:
“I am glad to see the Board is honoring their end of the agreement to not discuss the details.”
What is it that gave you that idea?
Carl,
Quote: ” isn’t it just killin’ you that i have it all right here in front of me and you don’t have a clue?
Comment by carl — 1/16/2006″
I don’t believe you have/had the contract to look at. I think that you are teasing us. If you have/had a copy of it, who gave it to? Straight forward question, requires a straight forward answer. Everyone knows who we are… maybe it’s time you let everyone know who you are. You are making a lot of claims that require some backing up. How do we know you are telling the truth. A faceless name in the crowd can say anything, as long as you don’t know their name or soarse of information. Be it true or untrue.
Lennie Wrote:
“I am glad to see the Board is honoring their end of the agreement to not discuss the details.â€
What is it that gave you that idea?
I still don’t believe you have/had the contract. Let me get this straight. You are saying that a board member gave you a copy of the contract! Uh huh. Again… a lot of claims with no face behind the alias. How do we know that you are telling the truth? I think you are messing with us… again.
Lennie Claims:
“I am glad to see the Board is honoring their end of the agreement to not discuss the details.â€
There is no “honor” in this new board.
Yes, I have the tenative agreement the Board sent to the teachers in good faith on December 16th for ratification and then illegally refused to reduce to writing as required by law. What makes Lennie think the board has not shared the details with the public?
I know you want me to say who I am, but I’m not that stupid. You know who I am and when you finally loose it again, you’ll publish it on your site; I’m just waiting with baited breath. You know I’ve answered your questions honestly.
Now, are you going to answer mine?
Lennie Wrote:
“I am glad to see the Board is honoring their end of the agreement to not discuss the details.â€
What is it that gave you that idea?
Carl, first, I have stated many times that I will not reveal identities here. I refuse to stoop to the level of intimidation tactics that occur on d46.info. You know what happened to us over there since you were a part of it.
I know you will continue to attack my family and me with false accusations. You will continue to divulge any information you can about me to try and destroy my credibility. Unfortunately for you, anyone that really knows me knows that I am a man of my word.
Yes, I will get mad at times, just like anyone else when they are continually attacked and smeared. I have reacted inappropriately to your taunting in the past. Thanks to you, I am much more adept at handling these attacks.
Secondly, you have not answered all the questions asked here honestly. You have refused to answer other questions. Yet, you expect me to answer all your questions with total candor. I have shared much more information about my family and myself than has been appropriate. Again, this was due to your attacks and smears.
If you want to gain credibility here, then you need to stop dancing around the questions, be honest with everyone, and stop the smears and personal attacks.
Here’s a tough one:
Lennie Wrote:
“I am glad to see the Board is honoring their end of the agreement to not discuss the details.â€
What is it that gave you that idea?
(and by the way…when Bruno gives you comeback like in #10 above, you need to re-type it 1st…mispell a couple words…screw up the grammar a little. you’re not foolin’ anyone, lennie…you’re not that bright)
Thanks for the complement Carl.
i rest my case…
Carl,
Can you have a conversation without “trying” to insult someone? Are you hoping that we will delete your posts again?
Lennie wrote: “I am glad to see the Board is honoring their end of the agreement to not discuss the details.â€
Carl, I want to know what gives you the idea that they have, since you seem to be insinuating that they have?
Carl wrote: “You know I’ve answered your questions honestly.”
Carl, it is hard to take you seriously/honestly if you won’t even put a “real” name behind your words that you type. Let us see if you are a man/woman behind you words. Many things are said that you wouldn’t necessarily say if people knew who you were. You know that I know if anyone would! Stand behind what you say “Carl” and let us all know who you are. It’s time. You know that we won’t do it here because I erased a post from someone who tried to reveal it.
Carl, I want to know something. Do you really hate us? Why?
Lisa wrote:
“Carl, I want to know what gives you the idea that they have, since you seem to be insinuating that they have?”
I never insinuated they had; Lennie claims he knows they haven’t (“I am glad to see the Board is honoring their end of the agreement to not discuss the details.â€)and that there is somehow some “honor” among that group. This honorable group has violated the law on several counts:
a.) asking the Union to re-negotiate after they ratified the tenative agreement in good faith is an unfair labor practice.
b.) the boards refusal to reduce THEIR tenative agreement to writing is an unfair labor practice.
There is no honor in these new board members…there never has been! So I will restate my question,
Lennie Wrote:
“I am glad to see the Board is honoring their end of the agreement to not discuss the details.â€
What is it that gave you that idea?
Now, when I write here, I write to you. No one else cares about our drivel. You know who I am and you know where my information comes from. Do I hate you? God no! I feel sorry for you! But I do hate what you do. It’s just plain wrong. To even suggest that the board might be acting honorable in this situation is an absolute joke and it will play out.
I’ll tell you what, when this plays out and the board is exposed for the dishonorable hoard they have chosen to be, you guys admit you were wrong to support that travisty and I’ll tell your reader or two who I am.
Carl writes:
a.) asking the Union to re-negotiate after they ratified the tenative agreement in good faith is an unfair labor practice.
b.) the boards refusal to reduce THEIR tenative agreement to writing is an unfair labor practice.
Carl, is the board re-negotiating the tentative agreement? How do you know that? How would WE know that? Who keeps leaking information about what is happening behind closed meetings? Since you claim to know… why is it called a TENTATIVE agreement? This is what I found in the dictionary about the word tentative.
1. Not fully worked out, concluded, or agreed on; provisional: tentative plans.
2. Uncertain; hesitant.
What are they re-negotiating? Are there minor details changed or major?
Look, Carl, I’m not sure why you hate what we do. We try to get information out and give our opinions in the process. Isn’t that what you are doing? Well ok, you are really giving your opinions with a side of criticism. You may be saying that you are writing to just us, but you have our personal e-mail that could say what you wanted to “just us†alone but you don’t. You are writing to an audience. Regardless of what you say, we do have regular readers that you ARE writing to. We all know that. How can anyone take you seriously if they don’t know who you are? If you want to be taken seriously… let us know who you are. Your words are perceived as words from a bitter person who has a big chip on his/her shoulder.
read the article you link to in this post…
Carl,
This is an answer to… what? Or are you giving us the run around again?
Carl said, “But I do hate what you do. It’s just plain wrong.”
I would like to know what is wrong with me sharing my opinions and research with the taxpayers of this and other school districts. I am helping to pay for district 46 children’s education even though my kids don’t attend there.
What it appears you are telling me is that if I don’t agree with the way you want the public schools to run, I should just sitdown and shutup. You have tried to intimidate me and my family to shutup. Yet, here I am still speaking to an ever growing audience. You know this, that’s why you continue to visit here and try to smear my name.
Your research is biased…and that’s just plain wrong.
“I am glad to see the Board is honoring their end of the agreement to not discuss the details.â€
Again, what gave you that idea? And why doesn’t the Union deserve that same accolade?
You’re obsessed with me divulding my identity when you know who I am, and as such, the validity of my sources.
While your integrity is a bit twisted, I respect the fact that you do seem to be a man of your word; when you want to be. You would do yourself a world of good to open your mind.
I am appauled at the way Illinois schools are funded. I’ve said here, and other places, that a major overhaul is necessary. Destroying the chances for those WHO ARE ATTENDING THE DISTRICT SCHOOLS to get a quality education is not in anyones best interest. I have also said here and other places time and time again that my current interest is the education of children CURRENTLY ATTENDING THE DISTRICT SCHOOLS and I have yet to see a plan that will deliver it now; without proper funding.
Our motivations are different; I need and want the system today…you don’t. I’m willing to consider the views of those who respect mine…not those who condem the system for sake of condeming it, see absolutly no good in it whatsoever, and all because they feel they have no need for it but have to pay for it anyway.
Carl,
Let me tell you about a story that is true.
There once was a lady and her children who were looking for a community service project the first week of August. The lady had a great idea. She and her children could be a part of the solution to helping her district by offering their reading abilities to be listeners to some new readers. So she called up a district school and asked if they would like their help. They left a message with the principal and the principal soon called back. The principal said that he would need to have them under an umbrella for insurance purposes so he told them to call the PTO representative to see if the PTO would put them under their umbrella. So the lady called her and she said that it would be under the same umbrella as a senior volunteer coming into to help the school. Delighted that this was going to work out, she emailed the principal and told him that we would be under an umbrella. She also felt that there should be no surprises to what her family’s intentions were. So she wrote about their dealing with the district and said that their family just wanted to help. That they wanted to be a part of the solution, that she had heard so many times from teachers and parents in the district, that parents were lacking in the school system. No, she wasn’t in the system but she wanted to show her children and her community that all can be a part of the solution. Later, she received her reply back from the principal that said that he would have to decline her offer. He said that it would be setting a precedent of having students from outside the school work with students from within the school.
So, Carl, I would like to remind you. It isn’t that we are just tax payers (although it seems that it HAS to get brought up) it is that we are trying to be part of a solution. I would also like to remind you that we were in public school, private school, and now homeschool. We have seen many angles of education. I myself was in K-12 public school! I heavily volunteered in both public and private schools and even substituted a few times; along with a host of many other things. Now… we are the enemy. Why? To sum it up… we homeschool, we independently fought against the referendum, and we haven’t gone away. In trying to educate ourselves on referendums and how the public school systems work, we have tried to educate others. It appears that this is not what some in this district want. They want us all to sit by and watch our children, our money, and our future sit in the hands of people who say this is right just because they say so. I think you may call that “an open mindâ€! But… no one should be idle about how their children are educated. Even if it’s not their own.
Carl, you say that “I am appauled at the way Illinois schools are funded. I’ve said here, and other places, that a major overhaul is necessary.†But yet you say you want those solutions delivered “nowâ€. Nothing in the school system is going to happen NOW! There are too many processes and steps in making those decisions. Does that mean that we should stop because we can’t get it in a drive in? No… we try one step at a time, one person at a time, get the word out, and try to contact people that make those decisions.
Lastly, I don’t know of the validity of your information since I, my husband, or the public have not been given that information.
Carl said, â€Your research is biased…and that’s just plain wrong.â€
Just because my research doesn’t agree with your philosophy doesn’t mean it is biased. I get my information from many sources, which I identify for everyone to check out for themselves. These sources have the time and money to do the research that a single person cannot ever dream of doing. The majority of these sources get their data directly from the reports sent from school districts in their state reporting.
Carl said, â€Again, what gave you that idea? And why doesn’t the Union deserve that same accolade?â€
Carl, reread you own comments. You have a copy of the tentative agreement. Would you care to share who gave it to you? I doubt it. I can bet it wasn’t from a board member. Therefore you would have had to get it from the Union.
Carl said, “While your integrity is a bit twisted, I respect the fact that you do seem to be a man of your word; when you want to be. You would do yourself a world of good to open your mind.â€
What is your definition of open minded? From your posts, it would appear to mean I need to agree with you. That is not being opened minded. I do listen to others ideas. That does not mean I have to agree with them. There have been instances where I have changed my mind on things.
Carl said, “I am appauled at the way Illinois schools are funded. I’ve said here, and other places, that a major overhaul is necessary. Destroying the chances for those WHO ARE ATTENDING THE DISTRICT SCHOOLS to get a quality education is not in anyones best interest. I have also said here and other places time and time again that my current interest is the education of children CURRENTLY ATTENDING THE DISTRICT SCHOOLS and I have yet to see a plan that will deliver it now; without proper funding.â€
I surprised by this one. Bruno and I both have presented solutions. You can read Bruno’s plan at his site. There are also many other plans that would help fix it as well without a tax increase. For instance, one of these is the 65% solution, which I believe is only a temporary stop gap measure to the ultimate solution of funding each child and abolishing the school districts like they did in New Zealand with amazing results.
Carl said, “Our motivations are different; I need and want the system today…you don’t. I’m willing to consider the views of those who respect mine…not those who condem the system for sake of condeming it, see absolutly no good in it whatsoever, and all because they feel they have no need for it but have to pay for it anyway.â€
Sorry Carl, but I condemn the system because it is broken and failing. As my wife has pointed out, we use to have our kids in public schools. We pulled them out and placed them in private school after public schools failed to teach them. We were supplementing them at home to teach them. How many other parents are supplementing their child’s education right now? These are parents who care about the education their child receives and want them to learn. This is who my wife and I are. I wish I could return my kids back to public school at times. It would be much easier on my wife and I. But I won’t until they effectively teach again. I know there are some really good teachers. I also know there are some really bad ones, and many mediocre ones. The system needs to be fixed so the bad teachers are removed and the mediocre teachers are improved.
As far as your claiming I don’t care about children now, you are completely wrong. Why do you think we homeschool? We care about our kids. Why do you think I am involved in the school district? I know you don’t believe it, but I do care about the education of other kids as well. As some of you know I have been volunteering to help with planning in areas of my expertise to help the district now.
I also would like to ask you, if you believe in only helping the children now, what about the children in the future? Is it ok to borrow money now to just help your kids, while burdening future generations (your kids and grandkids) with a much greater burden? We have a responsibility to help this generation and the next. We should not borrow from the next generation to pay for this generation. That will be a never ending cycle that will continue to denigrate the level of education that is already in trouble.
From now on, one at a time.
Valid, unbiased research?
“Carl, reread you own comments. You have a copy of the tentative agreement. Would you care to share who gave it to you? I doubt it. I can bet it wasn’t from a board member. Therefore you would have had to get it from the Union.”
[...] There is another special closed session meeting scheduled for this week. Here are the details as listed on the District website. Go here to read more about why this meeting is taking place. [...]
Carl,
Here we go again. More run around, and not answering questions. As far as research/validity goes, he is trying to do this with asking you where you got your information and I am asking you to reveal yourself for validity. Otherwise, this is just bitter information from someone named “Carl” on this Blog site.
We wrote a collective of 3 pages worth of response to you and all you have to comment on is more of the same bitterness about a board that you seemingly don’t approve of and refusing to answer where you got the information as to assume that you got your information from the Union because of your feelings towards the board. I’d say that was a logical reasoning. You keep asking the question, quote: “What is it that gave you that idea?” YOU did!
Now, please answer our questions. Again… where did you get your information? Who are you, really?