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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/10/01/winthrop-harbor-referendum-presentation/#comment-620</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Original comment #42 was deleted because it was inappropriate. Carl can tell us who he is if he wants but this Blog cannot be a part of identity identification unless the user chooses to reveal it. As a reminder... I was singled out on d46.info when they chose to give out my aliases connecting me with the same IP in our household. We do not want to be accused of doing the same. Thank you for your understanding.

With Lennie&#039;s approval,
Lisa (Lennie&#039;s wife)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Original comment #42 was deleted because it was inappropriate. Carl can tell us who he is if he wants but this Blog cannot be a part of identity identification unless the user chooses to reveal it. As a reminder&#8230; I was singled out on d46.info when they chose to give out my aliases connecting me with the same IP in our household. We do not want to be accused of doing the same. Thank you for your understanding.</p>
<p>With Lennie&#8217;s approval,<br />
Lisa (Lennie&#8217;s wife)</p>
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		<title>By: chuck</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/10/01/winthrop-harbor-referendum-presentation/#comment-619</link>
		<dc:creator>chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl, I&#039;ve done some checking on you. I&#039;ve found post that you have left on several websites. Why don&#039;t you share with us who you are since you seem to know so much about other people. You a sore loser. You worked hard trying to get the referendum passed in D46. You are a bad loser Carl!!!!! Especially because our newly elected school board found a way to bring back our programs that were taken away [as a way to hold the parents hostage] What was your role in our disrict Carl? Why are you such a sore loser Carl?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl, I&#8217;ve done some checking on you. I&#8217;ve found post that you have left on several websites. Why don&#8217;t you share with us who you are since you seem to know so much about other people. You a sore loser. You worked hard trying to get the referendum passed in D46. You are a bad loser Carl!!!!! Especially because our newly elected school board found a way to bring back our programs that were taken away [as a way to hold the parents hostage] What was your role in our disrict Carl? Why are you such a sore loser Carl?</p>
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		<title>By: Lennie</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/10/01/winthrop-harbor-referendum-presentation/#comment-618</link>
		<dc:creator>Lennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we follow the model of &lt;a href=&quot;http://educationmatters.us/index.php?p=106&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New Zealand&lt;/a&gt;, we do the following:
1. abolish all School Districts
2. setup parental boards in each school
3. give each principal the money for the number of students attending that school
4. parents choose the school they want their kids to attend

The results were dramatic.  The exodus from Public School won&#039;t happen becuase teachers know they teach or lose funding.  New Zealand started with a scoring gap of 14 to 15 points between public and private schools.  This was erased in 2 years.  Within 3 years, 87% of students attended Public schools whereas 85% did when they started the project.  The most impressive stat is with those three years their schools scored wents &quot;from 14 or 15 percent below our international peers to being about 14 or 15 percent above our international peers in terms of educational attainment.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we follow the model of <a href="http://educationmatters.us/index.php?p=106" rel="nofollow">New Zealand</a>, we do the following:<br />
1. abolish all School Districts<br />
2. setup parental boards in each school<br />
3. give each principal the money for the number of students attending that school<br />
4. parents choose the school they want their kids to attend</p>
<p>The results were dramatic.  The exodus from Public School won&#8217;t happen becuase teachers know they teach or lose funding.  New Zealand started with a scoring gap of 14 to 15 points between public and private schools.  This was erased in 2 years.  Within 3 years, 87% of students attended Public schools whereas 85% did when they started the project.  The most impressive stat is with those three years their schools scored wents &#8220;from 14 or 15 percent below our international peers to being about 14 or 15 percent above our international peers in terms of educational attainment.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/10/01/winthrop-harbor-referendum-presentation/#comment-617</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 04:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humor me here: Say your ideas prevail.  Explain to me HOW and WHEN this would improve the education of the children of Winthrop Harbor.  Talk to me like I&#039;m a 7th grader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humor me here: Say your ideas prevail.  Explain to me HOW and WHEN this would improve the education of the children of Winthrop Harbor.  Talk to me like I&#8217;m a 7th grader.</p>
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		<title>By: Lennie</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/10/01/winthrop-harbor-referendum-presentation/#comment-616</link>
		<dc:creator>Lennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 23:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fund the Child, not the beauracracy of the districts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fund the Child, not the beauracracy of the districts.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/10/01/winthrop-harbor-referendum-presentation/#comment-615</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Every child in the nation could recieve a fine education for far less than is currently spent. All we have to do is disempower the ossified, protected, and bloated bureaucracies that are feeding off of the taxpayers.&quot;

How could that be done, Bruno?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Every child in the nation could recieve a fine education for far less than is currently spent. All we have to do is disempower the ossified, protected, and bloated bureaucracies that are feeding off of the taxpayers.&#8221;</p>
<p>How could that be done, Bruno?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruno</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/10/01/winthrop-harbor-referendum-presentation/#comment-614</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl appears to be &quot;carpetbagging&quot; along with all the rest of us.  BTW Carl, thanks for helping link my website.  For another great essay on my over all strategy, I&#039;ve added a new essay here (www.extremewisdom.com/essays/)

The theme is the same - school districts lie, and they use all the unnecessary (yet 100% intentional) complexity of the property tax system to spin numbers one way or the other.  With out going into all the arcane details, here is a simple question.  Post referendum, did all your taxes equal what they were supposed to be, or were they higher.

School District all over IL have:

Used Working Cash bonds to circumvent tax caps
Phased in tax hikes to rake in much more than originally billed in refernenda campaigns
Used questionable &quot;Health, Life, Safety&quot; exceptions to circumvent voters that turned down unneeded building projects
etc. etc.

You know my position Carl.  The Education Establishment in the USA is a corrupt enterprise, and it is more corrupt in IL than it is in most other states.

Local Control is a myth as 90% of what a district does is mandated by the state.  The idea that property taxes are &quot;local&quot; is also a myth, as the property tax for schools is a &quot;state authorized&quot; tax, and could be repealed outright in the next legislative session.

We &quot;carpetbaggers&quot; (and you appear to have joined us in carpetbagging) are simply pointing out the unwelcome truth about this corrupt system.  Districts are merely &quot;franchises&quot; of the same corrupt enterprize, and we simply go from franchise to franchise pointing out this &quot;corruption.&quot;

We represent that portion of the population that a) aren&#039;t brainwashed into thinking that &#039;public schools&#039; are unassailable institutions of learning, and b) taxpayers who have become too frightened of the vile social pressure brought to bear by the PTOs and their brainwashed minnions spouting the zombie like &quot;it&#039;s for the children&quot; garbage.

Every child in the nation could recieve a fine education for far less than is currently spent.  All we have to do is disempower the ossified, protected, and bloated bureaucracies that are feeding off of the taxpayers.

How about that debate, Carl.  Any time, any place, any issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl appears to be &#8220;carpetbagging&#8221; along with all the rest of us.  BTW Carl, thanks for helping link my website.  For another great essay on my over all strategy, I&#8217;ve added a new essay here (www.extremewisdom.com/essays/)</p>
<p>The theme is the same &#8211; school districts lie, and they use all the unnecessary (yet 100% intentional) complexity of the property tax system to spin numbers one way or the other.  With out going into all the arcane details, here is a simple question.  Post referendum, did all your taxes equal what they were supposed to be, or were they higher.</p>
<p>School District all over IL have:</p>
<p>Used Working Cash bonds to circumvent tax caps<br />
Phased in tax hikes to rake in much more than originally billed in refernenda campaigns<br />
Used questionable &#8220;Health, Life, Safety&#8221; exceptions to circumvent voters that turned down unneeded building projects<br />
etc. etc.</p>
<p>You know my position Carl.  The Education Establishment in the USA is a corrupt enterprise, and it is more corrupt in IL than it is in most other states.</p>
<p>Local Control is a myth as 90% of what a district does is mandated by the state.  The idea that property taxes are &#8220;local&#8221; is also a myth, as the property tax for schools is a &#8220;state authorized&#8221; tax, and could be repealed outright in the next legislative session.</p>
<p>We &#8220;carpetbaggers&#8221; (and you appear to have joined us in carpetbagging) are simply pointing out the unwelcome truth about this corrupt system.  Districts are merely &#8220;franchises&#8221; of the same corrupt enterprize, and we simply go from franchise to franchise pointing out this &#8220;corruption.&#8221;</p>
<p>We represent that portion of the population that a) aren&#8217;t brainwashed into thinking that &#8216;public schools&#8217; are unassailable institutions of learning, and b) taxpayers who have become too frightened of the vile social pressure brought to bear by the PTOs and their brainwashed minnions spouting the zombie like &#8220;it&#8217;s for the children&#8221; garbage.</p>
<p>Every child in the nation could recieve a fine education for far less than is currently spent.  All we have to do is disempower the ossified, protected, and bloated bureaucracies that are feeding off of the taxpayers.</p>
<p>How about that debate, Carl.  Any time, any place, any issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/10/01/winthrop-harbor-referendum-presentation/#comment-613</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 04:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: The raise in the base salary is 0.75%.  &quot;Step&quot;, which happens when you move up in the pay scale after each year of teaching in the district, is 3%.  That, I believe, is right around the same as it was last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: The raise in the base salary is 0.75%.  &#8220;Step&#8221;, which happens when you move up in the pay scale after each year of teaching in the district, is 3%.  That, I believe, is right around the same as it was last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Lennie</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/10/01/winthrop-harbor-referendum-presentation/#comment-612</link>
		<dc:creator>Lennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 03:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe &quot;us&quot; in comment 24 refers to those who oppose the overspending by BIg Ed and stand up and tell them &quot;NO!&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe &#8220;us&#8221; in comment 24 refers to those who oppose the overspending by BIg Ed and stand up and tell them &#8220;NO!&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/10/01/winthrop-harbor-referendum-presentation/#comment-611</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl,

Quote: &quot;1. A Northerner who went to the South after the Civil War for political or financial advantage. 2. An outsider, especially a politician, who presumptuously seeks a position or success in a new locality.&quot;

&quot;A carpetbagger is someone who comes to your town, claims to have all the answers to solve all your problems, trashes your community and LEAVES! CRAFT is an organization based in Harvard Illinois. Lennie is from Round Lake.&quot; End quote.

Since Lennie is from the south, I guess that doesn&#039;t fit and he&#039;s not a politician so I guess that doesn&#039;t fit either. Hmmmm. As far as trashing our community... our district now have the programs back that were taken away from the children in d46 because their wasn&#039;t enough money. The old board said it wasn&#039;t possible to restore them without a referendum and here we are! The new board restoring programs without a referendum in less than 2 months after taking their seats. I think that they have done some wonderful work in the very short time they have been in office. As far as Lennie specifically having a huge impact in why there is a new school board and there wasn&#039;t a referendum passed... he would say that you give him far too much credit. I think the credit lies in the voters that were fed up. That&#039;s it.

So...I just don&#039;t see it, Carl.

While we are on THIS subject... I&#039;m just curious, (Carl), where are you from and do you own property there? Have you always been a resident or did you move here from somewhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl,</p>
<p>Quote: &#8220;1. A Northerner who went to the South after the Civil War for political or financial advantage. 2. An outsider, especially a politician, who presumptuously seeks a position or success in a new locality.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;A carpetbagger is someone who comes to your town, claims to have all the answers to solve all your problems, trashes your community and LEAVES! CRAFT is an organization based in Harvard Illinois. Lennie is from Round Lake.&#8221; End quote.</p>
<p>Since Lennie is from the south, I guess that doesn&#8217;t fit and he&#8217;s not a politician so I guess that doesn&#8217;t fit either. Hmmmm. As far as trashing our community&#8230; our district now have the programs back that were taken away from the children in d46 because their wasn&#8217;t enough money. The old board said it wasn&#8217;t possible to restore them without a referendum and here we are! The new board restoring programs without a referendum in less than 2 months after taking their seats. I think that they have done some wonderful work in the very short time they have been in office. As far as Lennie specifically having a huge impact in why there is a new school board and there wasn&#8217;t a referendum passed&#8230; he would say that you give him far too much credit. I think the credit lies in the voters that were fed up. That&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>So&#8230;I just don&#8217;t see it, Carl.</p>
<p>While we are on THIS subject&#8230; I&#8217;m just curious, (Carl), where are you from and do you own property there? Have you always been a resident or did you move here from somewhere?</p>
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