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	<title>Comments on: Anti-Catholic Bigotry and How It Affects Public Education</title>
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		<title>By: Lennie</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/07/23/catholic-bigotry-and-how-it-affects-public-education/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator>Lennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 02:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link and info.  I&#039;ll do some research on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link and info.  I&#8217;ll do some research on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Vito Prosciutto</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/07/23/catholic-bigotry-and-how-it-affects-public-education/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator>Vito Prosciutto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 08:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have anything resembling hard numbers any more, but a quick search turned up the following:
http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/2005/section1/table.asp?tableID=225

This only gives regionaly numbers and I suspect that my sample was a bit unrepresentative given what I&#039;m seeing here, but even so, the increase in funding necessary is not trivial. I would guess that the percentages for California are going to be more closely tracked by the &quot;Northeast&quot; number than the &quot;West&quot; number as the vast expanses of the non-coastal west don&#039;t easily support large numbers of private schools.

(A bit more googling shows that state-wide we had about 10% of California&#039;s population in private school in 2000-2001.). But even if we go with the lowest numbers, there&#039;s still a sizable subsidy to education that comes into play with the private school students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have anything resembling hard numbers any more, but a quick search turned up the following:<br />
<a href="http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/2005/section1/table.asp?tableID=225" rel="nofollow">http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/2005/section1/table.asp?tableID=225</a></p>
<p>This only gives regionaly numbers and I suspect that my sample was a bit unrepresentative given what I&#8217;m seeing here, but even so, the increase in funding necessary is not trivial. I would guess that the percentages for California are going to be more closely tracked by the &#8220;Northeast&#8221; number than the &#8220;West&#8221; number as the vast expanses of the non-coastal west don&#8217;t easily support large numbers of private schools.</p>
<p>(A bit more googling shows that state-wide we had about 10% of California&#8217;s population in private school in 2000-2001.). But even if we go with the lowest numbers, there&#8217;s still a sizable subsidy to education that comes into play with the private school students.</p>
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		<title>By: Lennie</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/07/23/catholic-bigotry-and-how-it-affects-public-education/#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator>Lennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to see those numbers.  Please provide them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see those numbers.  Please provide them.</p>
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		<title>By: Vito Prosciutto</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/07/23/catholic-bigotry-and-how-it-affects-public-education/#comment-402</link>
		<dc:creator>Vito Prosciutto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 03:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Are you saying that if all the home schooled and private schooled children would go back to public school&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Are you saying that if all the home schooled and private schooled children would go back to public school&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/07/23/catholic-bigotry-and-how-it-affects-public-education/#comment-401</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think vouchers CAN be a complicated subject. In my opinion, there would have to be an understanding of church and state and&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think vouchers CAN be a complicated subject. In my opinion, there would have to be an understanding of church and state and&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Vito Prosciutto</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/07/23/catholic-bigotry-and-how-it-affects-public-education/#comment-400</link>
		<dc:creator>Vito Prosciutto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your history of public schools is a bit naÃ¯ve: Public schools in the 19th century (and well into the 20th century) were actually explicitly protestant establishments. This is the primary reason for the existence of Catholic schools. Catholic parents were forbidden to send their children to public schools because of the protestant indoctrination which took place there.

That said, my big concern about any sort of scheme which sends money to private schools has nothing to do with religion or exclusion but a simple question: Whence will the money come? Right now every parent who sends their child to a private school is subsidizing public education by eliminating the state&#039;s obligation to cover the incremental cost of their child&#039;s attendence. This is a HUGE hidden subsidy to public education and I think that many voucher proponents are disingenuous in ignoring it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your history of public schools is a bit naÃ¯ve: Public schools in the 19th century (and well into the 20th century) were actually explicitly protestant establishments. This is the primary reason for the existence of Catholic schools. Catholic parents were forbidden to send their children to public schools because of the protestant indoctrination which took place there.</p>
<p>That said, my big concern about any sort of scheme which sends money to private schools has nothing to do with religion or exclusion but a simple question: Whence will the money come? Right now every parent who sends their child to a private school is subsidizing public education by eliminating the state&#8217;s obligation to cover the incremental cost of their child&#8217;s attendence. This is a HUGE hidden subsidy to public education and I think that many voucher proponents are disingenuous in ignoring it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lennie</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/07/23/catholic-bigotry-and-how-it-affects-public-education/#comment-399</link>
		<dc:creator>Lennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe private schools would not be as restrictive if they recieved state funding.  They would have resources then to accomplish more and with more kids.  Many restrict their enrollment now because of financial reasons.  They have to keep tuition down so parents can afford it.

I would also so that the majority of schools are of a religious nature.  They are also restrictive in that way as well.  They want to make sure that parents and kids attending the school want to be taught with a religious framework that matches the philosophy of the school.

Again, funding would provide the means to accept more students.  It could also conceivably entice the rise of schools designed specifically to meet the needs of special needs children.  Wouldn&#039;t that be wonderful if parents of Special Needs kids had a choice to attend a school that met all the needs their child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe private schools would not be as restrictive if they recieved state funding.  They would have resources then to accomplish more and with more kids.  Many restrict their enrollment now because of financial reasons.  They have to keep tuition down so parents can afford it.</p>
<p>I would also so that the majority of schools are of a religious nature.  They are also restrictive in that way as well.  They want to make sure that parents and kids attending the school want to be taught with a religious framework that matches the philosophy of the school.</p>
<p>Again, funding would provide the means to accept more students.  It could also conceivably entice the rise of schools designed specifically to meet the needs of special needs children.  Wouldn&#8217;t that be wonderful if parents of Special Needs kids had a choice to attend a school that met all the needs their child.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/07/23/catholic-bigotry-and-how-it-affects-public-education/#comment-398</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of vouchers for private schools is a complicated topic:
http://www.christianlaw.org/vouchers.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of vouchers for private schools is a complicated topic:<br />
<a href="http://www.christianlaw.org/vouchers.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.christianlaw.org/vouchers.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: mrs ris</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/07/23/catholic-bigotry-and-how-it-affects-public-education/#comment-397</link>
		<dc:creator>mrs ris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I continue to value the public in public schools. I just can&#039;t get passed the idea that private schools can and do exclude the hardest case kids, because they are not required to take them or keep them.  Of course, their success rate goes up.  I do however, value the innovative ideas that the charter movement brings to the table, and wonder if vouchers would inspire more of the kind of reform we need in this country.  But as long as private schools can be exclusive, I am not on board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I continue to value the public in public schools. I just can&#8217;t get passed the idea that private schools can and do exclude the hardest case kids, because they are not required to take them or keep them.  Of course, their success rate goes up.  I do however, value the innovative ideas that the charter movement brings to the table, and wonder if vouchers would inspire more of the kind of reform we need in this country.  But as long as private schools can be exclusive, I am not on board.</p>
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		<title>By: JennyD</title>
		<link>http://educationmatters.us/2005/07/23/catholic-bigotry-and-how-it-affects-public-education/#comment-396</link>
		<dc:creator>JennyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Carnival Time&lt;/strong&gt;
It&#039;s back, the Carnival of Education. Thanks to the Wonks for another chance to host.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Carnival Time</strong><br />
It&#8217;s back, the Carnival of Education. Thanks to the Wonks for another chance to host.</p>
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